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5.0 beta UI Upscale causes sever fps drop from high res monitors in physics window
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Something that I have run into with multiple monitors at different resolutions is that with the ui upscaling the preview in the physics window drops frames a noticeable amount.
In my case, I have a widescreen (5120x2160), a 4k monitor, and a spare 1440p monitor. Across all of them, the frame drop becomes progressively worse to the point where single frames are seen.
Currently what I have found is that the only solution is to turn off the upscaling however the whole point of the ui upscaling is so that you can see/read what you are doing in the software and without it it is harder to navigate through to the program.
In the videos attached, the first half is with the ui scaling and the last without. For heavier model files it becomes extremely apparent.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1--YK-Ch8GDWSnDYEykwCWKAgHPPhECT4/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-9xq1ncwe4Bo4iW6Keaq_4crBjKZe0Nb/view?usp=sharing
In my case, I have a widescreen (5120x2160), a 4k monitor, and a spare 1440p monitor. Across all of them, the frame drop becomes progressively worse to the point where single frames are seen.
Currently what I have found is that the only solution is to turn off the upscaling however the whole point of the ui upscaling is so that you can see/read what you are doing in the software and without it it is harder to navigate through to the program.
In the videos attached, the first half is with the ui scaling and the last without. For heavier model files it becomes extremely apparent.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1--YK-Ch8GDWSnDYEykwCWKAgHPPhECT4/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-9xq1ncwe4Bo4iW6Keaq_4crBjKZe0Nb/view?usp=sharing
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- Live2D Cubism 5.0 beta1
- OS: Windows 11
- GPU: RTX 4080
- CPU: Ryzen 9 5900X
- Memory: 64GB
Still experiencing severe lag after running live2d from "CubismEditor5_nod3d.bat"
It does not seem to fix the issue
@cillia
Thank you for always using our products.
Thank you for reporting the problem.
We will investigate further.
Please disable scaling for the time being.
Best regards.
@cillia
Thank you for always using our products.
Thank you for reporting the problem.
- Please let me know the model number of the monitor you are using and the resolution and magnification settings.
(e.g., one laptop monitor 120% & one monitor 3840x2160 100% )
- Please try to see if the problem occurs even in an environment with only one monitor.
- Does the problem still occur when the resolution is set to FHD?
- Drag the width of the parameter display area in the physics window to narrow it so that it cannot be seen at all. Please try to see if the problem occurs even in that state.
- Update your graphics driver to the latest version.
- GPU information is displayed in the log when Cubism Editor is started. Please check if the information of your graphic board is displayed without problems.
Best regards.
I tried setting my main monitor to 1080p, and 100% scaling, but there still are frame drops. I think maybe just slightly better. (still worse in comparison to 4.2)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10IwqZDE5acOKLG7JstIxlfPDWOadL0OW/view?usp=sharing
Here is testing of the physics parameter display at 1440p 125% magnification. The showing of the parameters does seem to greatly affect performance. However, even with the parameters hidden, the frame rate is still lower than when running Live2D version 4.2.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P-TDjxvsGcNQ-62xyQuAubXcfifICzkm/view?usp=sharing
Graphic drivers are fully updated, and the log is showing the information correctly.
I have not yet tried it with just 1 monitor on. I will see if I can test that later today.
At the least, it is clear that the visual processing of the parameters is one aspect of the slowdown. (But not the only cause)
With my monitor I cannot set things to FHD since it is not an option that is available within the display settings. Any options within FHD range will crop the display leaving black bars along the sides.
Here is my test for 5.0, 5120 x 2160p, 150% magnification.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-A0hYnoNvFvWya7CLgncf3WDhYSNbkav/view?usp=sharing
Here is what Live2D runs like on 4.2. During this test I had my normal setup up of two monitors, the main monitor listed above and an alt monitor to my right set to vertical orientation at 2160x3840p
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-DkGb_ouxw-Blwa5TXj6hMbIdExUdH3r/view?usp=sharing
@indigo_cho
We apologize for the inconvenience.
There was a report that this bug was improved in version beta2 released yesterday.
Please try beta2.
Best regards.
If I changed my resolution to 1080p, the average FPS I get is 20 ~ 30 FPS for a moderately big project.
But if I use the native 4K resolution, the average FPS is cut by half, only ~10 FPS average.
There's something wrong with the Hi-DPI mode here. I never had this sluggish performance in 4.2 version. And yes I tried to update beta2, while there's an improvement compared to D3D mode but in general it still runs worse than 4.2.
My log:
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[INFO ] Live2D Cubism Editor ver5.0.00 beta2 [ 500000004 / 2023/08/28]
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[INFO ] Tue Aug 29 14:21:33 ICT 2023
[INFO ] BASE : jar:file:/C:/Program%20Files/Live2D%20Cubism%205.0%20beta/app/lib/Live2D_Cubism.jar!/res/ @IRes_Design
[ERROR] INFO: jpen-2-3-64 couldn't be loaded
[ERROR] INFO: no suitable JNI library found
[INFO ] java2d graphics pipeline[ sun.java2d.opengl = NotSet ]
[INFO ] java2d graphics pipeline[ sun.java2d.d3d = false ]
[INFO ] java2d graphics pipeline[ sun.java2d.noddraw = NotSet ]
[INFO ] java2d graphics pipeline[ sun.java2d.metal = NotSet ]
[INFO ] application ui scale : 100.00%
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[INFO ] Vendor : NVIDIA Corporation
[INFO ] Renderer : NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU/PCIe/SSE2
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I found setting override for OS to handle the application scaling may have improved the Editor performance for me.
It's the setting that I always turned on prior 5.0 to make Live2D Editor scale appropriately on Hi-DPI mode. It's on the application Compatibility properties tab
I've noticed quite an improvement where the Editor doesn't feel as sluggish as before.
I'll be using Niziiro Mao model as an example. For the test I'll just spin the Angle XY parameters around.
This is the average stats with the override OFF.
And this one with override ON.
I hope this finding will be helpful.
We apologize for any inconvenience caused.
We have released version 5.0.00, how is its performance?
I would appreciate any feedback on whether it has improved or if there has been no change at all.
Best regards.
At this point, I actually can't tell if the UI scaling itself is causing slowdowns after the update, it honestly just seems to be just 5.0 itself.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q-whFsowqYIRjPDjz2hKCeXcOaXlHVgz/view?usp=sharing
This is a video comparison. First is the model in 4.2, second is the model in 5.0 with UI scaling enabled. Third is 5.0 with UI scaling disabled.
Here is another recording, running 5.0 using the d3d.bat file. First is with UI scaling off, second is with UI scaling on.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13QqqgNZ0aXE5nrPdttIL0_X24naPl4FA/view?usp=sharing
thank you for your reply.
I am relieved that it seems to have improved significantly.
I think it can be further improved by hiding the parameter palette in the physics settings, so if you find it a little slow in the future, please try it.
If you notice a significant performance deterioration, please report back.
Thank you!
The frame drops in 5.0 are still quite noticeable, to the extent where I am currently continuing to use 4.2, as it runs smoother. It's I'd say about the same amount of frame drops as Ran had mentioned. (~10+ fps loss) Between 5.0 beta and 5.0 public release, what has improved is the parameter list processing in the physics window. Adjusting the parameter palette now no longer has a large effect on the frame rate of the program compared to before, which is good. However, the frame drops/loss in the program as well as in the physics window are still much worse than 4.2. Unfortunately doing the override as Ran mentioned did not improve performance, and it also results in blurry UI (which is why I didn't use that setting in the past as well)
However, without UI scaling, the performance has become much more consistent. Before, even after disabling UI scaling, there was still quite a lot of performance lost between 4.2 and 5.0. Now that seems to be better. (though there is still CPU spikes happening in the physics window which did not occur before 5.0)
I'm hoping there's still something that can be done to fix the UI scaling lag with a future update. It's quite straining on the eyes to have to work with smaller UI and text size than normal.
Thank you for always using our products.
The cause of this issue is currently unknown.
We'll do some research, but it's likely to take some time.
I replied the same thing regarding CPU spikes.
We apologize for any inconvenience caused.
Best regards.